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| I thought this should be a good idea since Iceburg knew my avatar was from the Anime Naruto.
Well, I think all of u know what Anime and Manga are. So, let's get down to businness:
On this topic u can:
~ dissguss Anime and Manga series
~ ask and answer question about Anime and Manga
~ recommend Anime and Manga to other users
~ describe and talk about your favourite(s) Anime and Manga series
~ put pictures and links that will inform users about Anime/Manga series
~ basicaly everything related to Anime and Manga and of course no spamming
My favourite anime series are: Naruto, Pokemon, Bleach, Dragon Ball, Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist, Soul Eater and Agatha Christie no Metantei: Poirot to Marple ( to TD: what u called "random japanese" were the lyrics of the ending song I copyed them to mail them to a friend that likes the song). Anyway, if u have any question about these series, feel free to ask them and I will answer all of them (hopefully lol).
I read the Naruto and Bleach Manga and I am up-to-date with all of the chapters.
If u are a Naruto fan, feel free to talk about Tobi's identity and post your theories!
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| Here is my theory about Tobi: He is Kagami Uchiha. Tobi comes from Kagami's sensei who could have tought him space teleporation jutsu: Tobirama Senju, the second Hokage. I think he escaped from death with Izanagi and then he used Obito's eye and perfected the space teleportation jutsu. |
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| That is one heck of a theory, and one I don't think I could argue with, lol My fav.'s are Naruto, Pokemon (of course), Bleach, Cardcaptors, Ouran High School Host Club and Sailor Moon for anime, and as far as Manga go, I haven't read alot, but the few I've read are Some Naruto, some Bleach, one called Black Cat I believe and one about a group of teens with Angel wings that I can't remember the name of, and since you can ask questions on here, anyone wanna tell me the name of that Manga if they know it, lol
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| QUOTE: ICEBURG That is one heck of a theory, and one I don't think I could argue with, lol My fav.'s are Naruto, Pokemon (of course), Bleach, Cardcaptors, Ouran High School Host Club and Sailor Moon for anime, and as far as Manga go, I haven't read alot, but the few I've read are Some Naruto, some Bleach, one called Black Cat I believe and one about a group of teens with Angel wings that I can't remember the name of, and since you can ask questions on here, anyone wanna tell me the name of that Manga if they know it, lol
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| Kappa Mikey has to be one of my favorite Anime shows. Albeit, it was produced in America using traditional Anime style inspired by Anime. Many fans call it the first American Anime. And as for the Tobi thing, I don't watch a lot of Naruto. My favorite manga would have to be the original Kingdom Hearts manga.
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| @Clicky: I didn't know Kingdom Hearts had a Manga, thought it was just a game
@PTF: I haven't caught up with the Manga/Anime just yet, so I'm still a little new to this debate, but my friends have a long standing theory that its either Izuna, Madara's brother, or Madara himself, though I can't remember the reasoning behind them |
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| Yeah, Kingdom Hearts was a game and a manga. |
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| QUOTE: ICEBURG @Clicky: I didn't know Kingdom Hearts had a Manga, thought it was just a game
@PTF: I haven't caught up with the Manga/Anime just yet, so I'm still a little new to this debate, but my friends have a long standing theory that its either Izuna, Madara's brother, or Madara himself, though I can't remember the reasoning behind them
Tobi can't be Izuna or Madara. Madara took Izuna's eyes and he formed the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.
If u don't want to know what will happen in the war from the manga don't read this.
Kabuto revived Madara in the war, so Tobi couldn't posibly be Madara. Every theory has a weakness. Tobi said to Guy when he asked him who he is that he can't remember faces, so it would be pointless to tell him. Indeed, Guy really has a hard time remembering faces. Tobi could have said that for 2 reasons: Guy once saw Tobi without his mask or to confuse him.
In an interview, Masashi Kishimoto (the creator of Naruto) announced that Tobi will be unmasked in August!!! 
Hope he doesn't dissapoint anybody!  |
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David | | 08/12/12 06:03 am - Last edited 08/12/12 06:22 am by David | Filter - Reply #8 |
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| omg woo anime/manga topic! AND DISCUSSION OF TOBI'S IDENTITY YAY!!
*SPOILERS*
Anyone seen the recent manga? (chapter 597), apparantly tobi's sharingan belongs to obito? or am i missing something cause obito was supposed to have lost both his eyes (one crushed by rock, other taken by kakashi) but somehow tobi's genjutsu is connected to kakashi's.
Yeah, it's not madara but that kagami theory .. i forgot ever reading or hearing about anything to do with him but apparantly he's around danzo's age which would make sense of tobi's wrinkles .. only question is what and why are his motives to create an eternal mangekyou.
best theory i've heard yet, and looking forward to the unmasking!
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| QUOTE: David omg woo anime/manga topic! AND DISCUSSION OF TOBI'S IDENTITY YAY!!
*SPOILERS*
Anyone seen the recent manga? (chapter 597), apparantly tobi's sharingan belongs to obito? or am i missing something cause obito was supposed to have lost both his eyes (one crushed by rock, other taken by kakashi) but somehow tobi's genjutsu is connected to kakashi's.
Yeah, it's not madara but that kagami theory .. i forgot ever reading or hearing about anything to do with him but apparantly he's around danzo's age which would make sense of tobi's wrinkles .. only question is what and why are his motives to create an eternal mangekyou.
best theory i've heard yet, and looking forward to the unmasking!
We know that Obito's other eye was covered by the rock, we don't actually know that it has been crushed. Tobi thinks Eternal Peace can be achieved only by controlling all humans with genjutsu. Did the chapter appear? I thought there wasn't manga this week.
It was confirmed that Tobi and Madara knew each other. If Tobi is Kagami, that could explain a lot. Glad u like the topic and my theory! |
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David | | 08/15/12 07:48 am - Last edited 08/15/12 07:49 am by David | Filter - Reply #10 |
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| Yes, surprise chapter! I'm starting to think it's Izuna now .. considering izuna lost both his eyes and both of tobi's current eyes do not belong to him (left eye sharingan belongs to obito apparantly and right eye rinnegan belongs to nagato), so he could be a resurrection of izuna .. What reason does Kagami have to get rid of his current sharingan LOL but we'll see!! |
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| QUOTE: David Yes, surprise chapter! I'm starting to think it's Izuna now .. considering izuna lost both his eyes and both of tobi's current eyes do not belong to him (left eye sharingan belongs to obito apparantly and right eye rinnegan belongs to nagato), so he could be a resurrection of izuna .. What reason does Kagami have to get rid of his current sharingan LOL but we'll see!!
His other eye was a sharingan too and it was his. Izuna could've only been ressurected by Orochimaru and I don't think he would've done that. Orochimaru's ressurection jutsu is not as good as Kabuto's and if he was Izuna he would have regenerated during the fight with Konan. Izuna's funeral was shown, so he couldn't possibly be alive. |
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| everything points to kagami lol |
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| QUOTE: David everything points to kagami lol
Exactly lol |
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| omg two days til 598 :') |
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| in 599 WE WILL KNOW WHO TOBI IS!!!! |
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| Hey, it's good to see your back, PT fan. I have been re-watching the Pokemon anime. I'm at the one where Ash battles Ritchie. |
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| Tobi is Obito! Noooooooooooo!!!! 
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| lol omg, it's not that bad seriously. tbh i'm really excited to see how this turns out |
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| QUOTE: David lol omg, it's not that bad seriously. tbh i'm really excited to see how this turns out
I think that Obito has Zetsu's body and Madara's plan is not the moon eye plan, but to become as strong as the sage of the six paths. The moon eye plan was just a fake motivation for obito to collect the tailed beasts and to create a world of peace so that no one would get through what he get when rin died in the war. From chapter 602 i figured out that madara gave his eyes to nagato and that explais why tobi, still claiming to be madara says that he is getting them back cause he gave nagato the rinnegan. madara has only one eye, which he could've gained after or more likely before giving nagato his eyes. orochimaru may be involved in madara's story as well. read this, it's good, only with a few mistakes (this was on naruto base forums):
Secrets of the eyes of the Uchiha:
The Uchiha are masters of the power of death, yin chakra, through their
Sharingan passed-down from Rikudou Sennin's elder son. The Sharingan's true
power is to convert the life-force of the user into Yin chakra. The base-level
Sharingan simply enhances the user's visual ability, giving them sensor-like
abilities and high resolution of time awareness, this Sharingan is passive and
does not tap the user of life-force. The Mangekyou Sharingan allows for the
first-level of chakra conversion. In this stage it taps the life force of the
eyes themselves, thus leading to blindness. The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan
allows the user to tap their own spiritual energy thus providing a much larger
pool to draw from. This, however, makes them susceptible to having a weak
spirit and being manipulated by their emotions, particularly hatred.
Secrets of the body of the Senju:
The Senju are natural masters of the power of life, yang chakra, through their
bodies descended from the younger son of Rikudou Sennin. Senju clan members
bodies' are made up of cells that have the ability replicate at the expense of
chakra. Tsunade can use Genesis Rebirth to cause cells to replicate endlessly
and heal the recipient of the jutsu... without causing cancer. The wood style
works by imbuing matter transformed using Doton and Suiton with life energy
from these cells.
Hashirama mastered his clan's powers. Not all Senju clan members can regenerate
their bodies, just like not all Uchiha can use Susanoo. If the cells of any
Senju would provide those powers then Madara could simply have taken them from
a child or weak member of the Senju clan. This indicates that there must be
something different about Hashirama's cells from other Senju. A base-level
Senju shinobi can manipulate their cells, but, like any jutsu, they're limited
by the amount of chakra they can produce. The scale of Hashirama's jutsu
indicates that they require unnatural amounts of chakra, yet he isn't a
jinchuuriki or has a sharingan to convert his spiritual energy. It may be that
he simply won at the genetics game and posessed enormous natural chakra like
A, but that doesn't fully explain why his cells were different than the rest.
Tsunade is able to regenerate cells, but is limited to her own chakra reserves
and the chakra she's slowly collected through her Byakugou.
The Uchiha clan kept the secrets of their power on the tablet in their hidden
hideout. The Senju clan had their own secrets, but, believing in peace through
love and trust they left these secrets to the Toad, Slug and Snake sages. The
secrets of Senjutsu would be accessible to anyone show showed the apititude and
was trusted by their superiors and peers. Hashirama Senju mastered this power
and having the cells of a true Senju, activated them to be able to draw life energy
from the environment on their own.
The key to mastering Senjutsu is the Will of Fire. The Will of Fire is simply
living a life of love and putting others before you. By being a loving person
a shinobi learns to achieve their goals of improving society through hard
work this gives them a strong spirit and will to persist. As we saw with
Naruto's training, it requires a perfection of resolve to master Senjutsu. A
person with a weak spirit seeks the quickest path to power, as we have
witnessed in most villains, especially the Uchiha. This is a contrary
philosophy to that which is required to master Senjutsu.
Jiraiya was unable to perfect Sage Mode because he was susceptible to influence
by women. Tsunade is unable to use it because she gave in to grief from losing
her loves and gambled and drank away her life. Orochimaru was unable to perfect
it because his ambitions were selfish and he was ruled by his pride.
Also, since Tobi is Obito, I wouldn't put it past Kishi for Senjutsu to
be the power of the Senju based on etymology alone.
The Rinnegan: A Sharingan imbued with Senju cells
Madara discovered a way to imbue his eyes with the cells of the Senju which
gave him the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan is an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan that
can additionally draw energy from the world around the user. Itachi remarked that
Shisui's eye could recover from Koto-Amatsukami sooner than 10 years with
the cells of the First Hokage. Obito remarked that Danzo's arm recovered from
using Izanagi due to his grafted cells from Hashirama.
Madara's Legacy
Madara was an embodiment of the principles of the Elder Son. He believed that the
world should be ruled over with power instead of love. He devoted his life to
gaining power and eventually unlocked the secret of the Rinnegan. While he now
had perfected eyes, his body was still that of the Uchiha. He had obtained only
one part of Rikudou Sennin's power. He lacked the body of the Senju and the power
of the Juubi. Madara realized he was too old to complete his research and devised
a plan to obtain the power of the Sage.
Orochimaru's involvement
Madara revealed himself to Orochimaru out of necessity of obtaining Hashirama's
body. Orochimaru's research, which was likely backed by Danzo, would provide
Madara with this, however his research wouldn't be complete during Madara's
lifetime. This is evident because Kabuto explained that Danzo's modification
wasn't complete. Since Madara was near death and Orochimaru had no motive to
help him achieve his goal, he made a bargain with Orochimaru: in exchange for
Orochimaru providing him with a Senju body upon revival, he would reveal the
secret of the Rinnegan.
Orochimaru agreed, but, being sly, immediately set upon gaining enough power to
be greater than Madara upon his revival and take the world for himself. At some
point in his experiments he discovered that a sharingan used by a non-Uchiha only
gave a portion of its power. Without obtaining an actual Uchiha body he'd never be
able to master the dojutsu.
The Gedo Mazo
Madara's second dilemma was that he needed to seal the Juubi within himself to
fully complete himself. According to legend, Rikudou Sennin sealed the body
of the Juubi within the moon using Chibaku Tensei. The Rinnegan allowed the
user to control the Juubi by force in the same way the Sharingan can with the
Kyuubi. Madara could summon the Gedo Mazo from the moon, but until Madara had
the regerative qualities of a Senju body, he would be unable to sustain
sealing of the Juubi within himself. Additionally, the Gedo Mazo would have to
be completed with the chakras of all the Bijuu.
Zetsu
Madara realized that with others aware of his plans, there was a high
potential for betrayal. He needed a way to supervise the plan while still
being dead.
Madara's experimentation with Hashirama's cells led him to the discovery that
they could be fused with plant cells to make a plant capable of hosting the
spirit of an animal/human. With this he grew the giant plant underground that
the Gedo Mazo sat on and has Hashirama and Yamato sticking out of em. He then
sealed some of his chakra within the plant, similar to how Orochimaru sealed
his chakra within Anko's curse seal, thus creating Zetsu. Zetsu's black half
represent's Madara's will and his actual complete body is all the plant life
connected to the root system of the Hashirama plant. Using the Senju ability of
absorbing natural energy, Zetsu is empowered by the Gedo's presence.
Obito
Madara needed an Uchiha to carry on his legacy and Obito provided a perfect
candidate. Madara was able to reconstruct his body using Zetsu. Obito was
indebted to Madara for saving his life. By giving Obito even an incomplete
body containing Senju cells, he greatly boosted the power of his remaining
Sharingan, explaining his development from chuunin to defeating the Fourth
Hokage in such a short amount of time.
Recent chapters have shown Madara being very concerned about the 8 and 9 tails
not being completely sealed in the Gedo Mazo. This reveals that his intent
isn't the Moon's Eye plan at all, but simply that he wants to personally obtain
the power of Rikudou Sennin.
Madara used Rin's death to start Obito down the path of hatred and give him
personal motivation to work in line with his plans. He invented the Moon's Eye
Plan to cater to Obito's hatred of the death caused by the cycle of war.
Madara convinced Obito that the Infinite Tsukuyomi was the Uchiha's ultimate
realization of their philosophy of using power to bring peace. He didn't want
anybody to ever have to bear the pain he felt from losing Rin.
Nagato
Madara needed a way to be revived in order to gain this power long after the
span of an ordinary human life. He also needed to keep his eyes and body hidden
from Orochimaru and others who might meddle. He instructed Obito to transfer
his eyes to Nagato on his death bed. He also instructed Obito to watch over him,
secretly at first. He chose Nagato because, being an Uzumaki, was capable of
handling the chakra of the bijuu sealed within the Gedo Mazo. He did this
knowing that the power of the Rinnegan in the hands of a war orphan would lead
to great exposure to sufferring and make Nagato susceptible to manipulation by
Obito as he grew up, and sympathize with his cause.
This is interesting too, it was on narutobase as well:
Obito dies if he betrays Madara / Zetsu
Obito only means of living right now is the artificial body that was given to him. I was thinking about what if he betrayed Madara and Zetsu? Would he die because the artificial body that was given to him was his only means to survival. Madara did mention in 602 that if he kept on moving that artificial body would be gone and he would die.
Does that mean that Obito is doing evil deed because he has no choice? Is he just a slave to Madara and Zetsu? He has no control over his own body. In 601 is shows his arm "fizzing" after Madara told Obito why he resurrect him using Edo Tensei. |
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Hope he doesn't dissapoint anybody! 
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